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		<title>By: Ol' Mate</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-2491</link>
		<dc:creator>Ol' Mate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent post. I thought I was the only confused soul. Boy am I glad to see folks in the same boat, especially Preethi and KD. 

I was born in Palaghat, Raised in Bangalore, Trichy and Chennai. Mom's side - proper Kerala ;) Dad's side moved to Chennapatnam. Damn my parents spoke Malayalam, Kannada and Tamil. I could hardly pick up one. The more the people complained my tamil was different, I tried hard to fit in. Tam-Bram, neither was I Tam nor was I Bram, yet I was always thrown in a myriad of Tam-Brams. The schools I went to should have been called "Tam-Bram Vidyalaya". My neighborhood had just Tam-Brams. I remember vividly when folks would affectionately touch my shoulder (to check my cross belt) and exclaim in shock "Ambi poonool podalaiyaa" ? My mom would make me secret chicken curries and fish fry, without alarming my neighbors.  

I thought my problems were over when I came here to the States. I liked the Tam-Bram buddies of mine here. They were after-all boys. They ate all the cows and pigs one could imagine, diligently paid homage to the naked girls and boosted the economy. Come marriage time, my nightmares were to resurface. I was supposed to perform a Brahmin wedding, which meant I had to be naked ( I mean shirtless). I didn't want to scare my friends and colleagues away in my not even remotely close to B. Pitt's body. I raised all hell and said I will have to wear a shirt illainaa no wedding ;) They all readily agreed, I am assuming for the same reason of not embarrassing their family members. Its been four years since. Not once I have been able to make idly and chicken curry or mom's aapam and stew ( for some reason they pronounce it ishtuuuuu in my village). Since my wife grew up in Calcutta, Delhi and Mumbai it is very easy to get along without any cross cultural differences. Until recently when I had seen a post from DG and gone and asked my wife what a kunukku was ?

With our two year old, we try to keep it simple - we speak English. Wifey and I use Tamil as a secret language against him.  Pongal, Idly or dosa are never to be seen until  Paati or Naani makes any for him. For now - bread, egg, cheese and milk makes our life easy. The lazy parents that we are :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent post. I thought I was the only confused soul. Boy am I glad to see folks in the same boat, especially Preethi and KD. </p>
<p>I was born in Palaghat, Raised in Bangalore, Trichy and Chennai. Mom&#8217;s side - proper Kerala <img src='http://desigirl.net.in/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> Dad&#8217;s side moved to Chennapatnam. Damn my parents spoke Malayalam, Kannada and Tamil. I could hardly pick up one. The more the people complained my tamil was different, I tried hard to fit in. Tam-Bram, neither was I Tam nor was I Bram, yet I was always thrown in a myriad of Tam-Brams. The schools I went to should have been called &#8220;Tam-Bram Vidyalaya&#8221;. My neighborhood had just Tam-Brams. I remember vividly when folks would affectionately touch my shoulder (to check my cross belt) and exclaim in shock &#8220;Ambi poonool podalaiyaa&#8221; ? My mom would make me secret chicken curries and fish fry, without alarming my neighbors.  </p>
<p>I thought my problems were over when I came here to the States. I liked the Tam-Bram buddies of mine here. They were after-all boys. They ate all the cows and pigs one could imagine, diligently paid homage to the naked girls and boosted the economy. Come marriage time, my nightmares were to resurface. I was supposed to perform a Brahmin wedding, which meant I had to be naked ( I mean shirtless). I didn&#8217;t want to scare my friends and colleagues away in my not even remotely close to B. Pitt&#8217;s body. I raised all hell and said I will have to wear a shirt illainaa no wedding <img src='http://desigirl.net.in/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> They all readily agreed, I am assuming for the same reason of not embarrassing their family members. Its been four years since. Not once I have been able to make idly and chicken curry or mom&#8217;s aapam and stew ( for some reason they pronounce it ishtuuuuu in my village). Since my wife grew up in Calcutta, Delhi and Mumbai it is very easy to get along without any cross cultural differences. Until recently when I had seen a post from DG and gone and asked my wife what a kunukku was ?</p>
<p>With our two year old, we try to keep it simple - we speak English. Wifey and I use Tamil as a secret language against him.  Pongal, Idly or dosa are never to be seen until  Paati or Naani makes any for him. For now - bread, egg, cheese and milk makes our life easy. The lazy parents that we are <img src='http://desigirl.net.in/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: preethi</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator>preethi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First time here.. very interesting post..  Both my DH and I are brahmins.. I am an Iyengar.. he is a Iyer-Iyengar hybrid!! :P When I go to his village, I cant understand half of what they say, and they cant understand what I say.. His mom's family come from near kerala.. so they speak part malayalam... I went to school in CBE with a lot of folsk who made fun of my tamil.. so I never used tamil in school ...In college, I had other brahmin friends so dared to speak in tamil. However my tamil is such a confused tamil as a result.. Now my son imbibes that and adds an american accent to it!!!
So there... How confused do you think we are??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time here.. very interesting post..  Both my DH and I are brahmins.. I am an Iyengar.. he is a Iyer-Iyengar hybrid!! <img src='http://desigirl.net.in/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> When I go to his village, I cant understand half of what they say, and they cant understand what I say.. His mom&#8217;s family come from near kerala.. so they speak part malayalam&#8230; I went to school in CBE with a lot of folsk who made fun of my tamil.. so I never used tamil in school &#8230;In college, I had other brahmin friends so dared to speak in tamil. However my tamil is such a confused tamil as a result.. Now my son imbibes that and adds an american accent to it!!!<br />
So there&#8230; How confused do you think we are??</p>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-1568</link>
		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DG, 
I completely understand your predicament.
It happens to me very often not because I have a mixed ancestory but my clan seems to be pretty mobile.
I belong to a Pallakad Iyer family born and in Bangalore for three generations. The problem arises when someone asks you where you are from
Me: I am from pallakad
someone: do you speak malayalam?
Me:no speak tamil
someone: so are you from Tamilnadu
Me:no I consider myself a Bangalorean
someone: errrrrrrrgh?!??!?
The problem would continue with my tamil speaking friends who were from Chennai or Trichy where they wouldnt understand half of the words I used and would ask me to rather speak in English
I thought this was confusing enough till the time I had to get married.
Tambram family and hence all attempts at me finding my soulmate was just shot down instantly with one statement "Loveaa ippidi kettu kuttichavaraitiye". So I decided to take the arranged route
well the problem was most of the girls whose hororscope (not a typo meant to say Horror scope) would match would come from either Delhi or Bombay where we have a huge expat community living.
The first time they would visit us they would say "well you speak a different kind of tamil are you sure your origins are in palakkad cos my daughter doesnt understand this tamil" !!!
Later did I realise all this sun TV watching, Vivek comedy had sort of altered the way we spoke adding more confusion and more to the already murky identity of mine.

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KD: boy am I glad there are other folks that feel this way too. Like MM was telling me the other day, as the world shrinks, these confusions will def be on the rise. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DG,<br />
I completely understand your predicament.<br />
It happens to me very often not because I have a mixed ancestory but my clan seems to be pretty mobile.<br />
I belong to a Pallakad Iyer family born and in Bangalore for three generations. The problem arises when someone asks you where you are from<br />
Me: I am from pallakad<br />
someone: do you speak malayalam?<br />
Me:no speak tamil<br />
someone: so are you from Tamilnadu<br />
Me:no I consider myself a Bangalorean<br />
someone: errrrrrrrgh?!??!?<br />
The problem would continue with my tamil speaking friends who were from Chennai or Trichy where they wouldnt understand half of the words I used and would ask me to rather speak in English<br />
I thought this was confusing enough till the time I had to get married.<br />
Tambram family and hence all attempts at me finding my soulmate was just shot down instantly with one statement &#8220;Loveaa ippidi kettu kuttichavaraitiye&#8221;. So I decided to take the arranged route<br />
well the problem was most of the girls whose hororscope (not a typo meant to say Horror scope) would match would come from either Delhi or Bombay where we have a huge expat community living.<br />
The first time they would visit us they would say &#8220;well you speak a different kind of tamil are you sure your origins are in palakkad cos my daughter doesnt understand this tamil&#8221; !!!<br />
Later did I realise all this sun TV watching, Vivek comedy had sort of altered the way we spoke adding more confusion and more to the already murky identity of mine.</p>
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KD: boy am I glad there are other folks that feel this way too. Like MM was telling me the other day, as the world shrinks, these confusions will def be on the rise.<br />
</em></p>
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		<title>By: apu</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-1481</link>
		<dc:creator>apu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been thinking about some of these very same things! Despite living in many different places, I know clearly, that I am Tamizh. Even if you get teased up for being 'Madrasi' while living in the North, as you grew up, you realise there is a strong culture behind you. But with so many of our generation (incl me) marrying across different languages and communities, one of my biggest worries is that the kids will only speak english...and if you lose your own language, somehow I feel you can't get into many aspects of the culture...or can you?

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DG: Apu, the more layers you add, the further you go away from your original core. You do build on something entirely new, yes, but unfortunately, you also end up moving away from where you started from. Is that a good thing? Where's the happy medium? Enough for a PhD thesis, eh? 
But... couple of my cousins who married guys from other communities - Maharashtrian in one specific instance - have still managed to raise children who are proficient in both the mummy and the daddy tongues. Wonder how I failed spectacularly in that regard!!!
&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about some of these very same things! Despite living in many different places, I know clearly, that I am Tamizh. Even if you get teased up for being &#8216;Madrasi&#8217; while living in the North, as you grew up, you realise there is a strong culture behind you. But with so many of our generation (incl me) marrying across different languages and communities, one of my biggest worries is that the kids will only speak english&#8230;and if you lose your own language, somehow I feel you can&#8217;t get into many aspects of the culture&#8230;or can you?</p>
<p><em><br />
DG: Apu, the more layers you add, the further you go away from your original core. You do build on something entirely new, yes, but unfortunately, you also end up moving away from where you started from. Is that a good thing? Where&#8217;s the happy medium? Enough for a PhD thesis, eh?<br />
But&#8230; couple of my cousins who married guys from other communities - Maharashtrian in one specific instance - have still managed to raise children who are proficient in both the mummy and the daddy tongues. Wonder how I failed spectacularly in that regard!!!<br />
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		<title>By: Lekhni</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Lekhni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely post. I don't get the "bus uduma" part though. Why should the bus run, or not?

&lt;em&gt; DG: Lekhni - it is all in the way you say it? Like 'karardhu' sounds like 'car - dhu' - hence car and bus etc. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely post. I don&#8217;t get the &#8220;bus uduma&#8221; part though. Why should the bus run, or not?</p>
<p><em> DG: Lekhni - it is all in the way you say it? Like &#8216;karardhu&#8217; sounds like &#8216;car - dhu&#8217; - hence car and bus etc. </em></p>
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		<title>By: Rohini</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't mean to be rude? Does it really matter? Will your life be truly different (better) if you can slot yourself into some man-made box? I think not. Coming from a regionally mixed marriage and then marrying someone from a different religion has made it too confusing for me to even ask this question of myself... I'm just me....

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DG: Rohini - isn't it the norm to blame everything on the parents? No? 
Seriously, I don't claim to have any rationalisation behind my feeling this way. It just the way it is. Maybe I never had the confidence to say, like you, "i'm just me - sod everything else". 
&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be rude? Does it really matter? Will your life be truly different (better) if you can slot yourself into some man-made box? I think not. Coming from a regionally mixed marriage and then marrying someone from a different religion has made it too confusing for me to even ask this question of myself&#8230; I&#8217;m just me&#8230;.</p>
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DG: Rohini - isn&#8217;t it the norm to blame everything on the parents? No?<br />
Seriously, I don&#8217;t claim to have any rationalisation behind my feeling this way. It just the way it is. Maybe I never had the confidence to say, like you, &#8220;i&#8217;m just me - sod everything else&#8221;.<br />
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		<title>By: Premalatha</title>
		<link>http://desigirl.net.in/blog/2007/12/13/identity-crises/#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator>Premalatha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DG,
Identity crisis can happen for anyone. For some it doesn't happen at all no matter how much mixing they come across. 

http://premalathakombai.blogspot.com/2006/02/identity.html

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DG: Prema, thank you for understanding - and your email! 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DG,<br />
Identity crisis can happen for anyone. For some it doesn&#8217;t happen at all no matter how much mixing they come across. </p>
<p><a href="http://premalathakombai.blogspot.com/2006/02/identity.html" rel="nofollow">http://premalathakombai.blogspot.com/2006/02/identity.html</a></p>
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DG: Prema, thank you for understanding - and your email!<br />
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